Global Warming- Real and now.

Different55 · 2012-04-03 15:06:24

That is a completely pathetic reason. It's like saying, hey, you're going to die anyways, so why live in the first place?

What I am saying is that there is no such thing as man-made global warming.

Again, the way you look at this stuff... *shudder* That college application isn't an IMMEDIATE concern, I'll just wait until junior year to do good in school. My kids' and grandkids' future isn't an IMMEDIATE concern, I might already be dead by then! So why do I care about what happens!

We're talking 100s, maybe 1000s of years. There's nothing we can do NOW that will stop it, since we aren't the cause.

scienceguyz · 2012-04-03 17:57:36

^ good points.

Coolio · 2012-04-04 15:09:41

What I am saying is that there is no such thing as man-made global warming.

No, but there is such thing as slowing global warming down. You want humanity to live on this earth to see the year 3000? Help out a little will ya?

We're talking 100s, maybe 1000s of years. There's nothing we can do NOW that will stop it, since we aren't the cause.

That doesn't mean we can't lay down the foundations for when the future generations, no matter how far in the future, may have to deal with it. Just because we aren't the cause doesn't mean we can't help.

I notice you never countered my bugs argument.

Different55 · 2012-04-04 15:23:29

bugs have always adapted quicker. Again, there's nothing we can do to stop them, or slow down global warming. Mother Nature isn't going to be stopped by a few billion humans.

Coolio · 2012-04-04 16:47:01

Coolio wrote:

No, but there is such thing as slowing global warming down. You want humanity to live on this earth to see the year 3000? Help out a little will ya?

You can't rely on mosquito nets then. You can't wait until the problem is actually there to act. Be proactive, not reactive.

Different55 · 2012-04-04 18:18:41

If 50 years shows nothing, 3000 AT MOST will only show a itteh bitteh increase (less than one degree). That increase won't help bugs at all. It'll be the same as today. Anyway, weren't the Medieval times hotter than it is now? And they didn't have technology to deal widdit then. They dealt widdit. So will we.

Coolio · 2012-04-04 19:47:48

One degree means a lot. It destroys fragile environments, makes the normal environments fragile, and the tough ones weaker.
I never said the heat would help bugs. I said that you couldn't rely on mosquito nets and bug repellent to keep away the bugs because the evolve over TIME, not heat. The more time, the more immune they become if this supposedly makes it "3000 years."

Different55 · 2012-04-04 21:14:31

If the bugs evolving is not related to global warming why did you bring it up >_>

One degree. Temps vary maybe 10 degrees every day. Today was cool and rainy, yesterday, though, it was very hot. 80s. The temp varied 20 degrees and humidity changed slightly over a one day period. If it can handle that, it can handle one degree over a thousand year span, and will continue to do so.

scienceguyz · 2012-04-05 11:29:27

I just got snow when I thought spring was here.
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Different55 · 2012-04-05 15:51:13

>_> I nearly froze when taking a walk today. I was shivering even with my coat on (I always wear a coat/jacket/hoodie).

Coolio · 2012-04-05 16:12:54

Different55 wrote:

If the bugs evolving is not related to global warming why did you bring it up >_>

because you claim that global warming will take practically forever, so if we wait that long, we may not be able to just hold them off with bug spray and nets anymore.

One degree. Temps vary maybe 10 degrees every day. Today was cool and rainy, yesterday, though, it was very hot. 80s. The temp varied 20 degrees and humidity changed slightly over a one day period. If it can handle that, it can handle one degree over a thousand year span, and will continue to do so.

Yes, but the organisms are used to that normal change. If the highest extreme gets one degree higher, there will be a big change.

Different55 · 2012-04-05 18:17:29

Last years highest temp was 6 degrees higher than 2 years ago.

Ratburntro44 · 2012-04-05 21:55:42

I hate to say it, but your claim that global warming is moving that slowly is unreal. The global average temperature has moved up nearly half a degree in the past 50 years. So that claim is pretty much wrong. And considering the rate is increasing, it seems highly unlikely that it is going to be as slow as you say. Not to mention the science showing that human activity is causing global warming (even if some of it is caused by other stuff).

Somehow I doubt that ice on Antarctica is melting magically without any temperature change. Not to even mention the Arctic...

Different55 · 2012-04-06 06:29:11

CBS wrote:

A federal wildlife biologist whose observation in 2004 of presumably drowned polar bears in the Arctic helped to galvanize the global warming movement has been placed on administrative leave and is being investigated for scientific misconduct, possibly over the veracity of that article.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/ … 4614.shtml

Climate Depot wrote:

The Arctic has rebounded in recent years, the Antarctic sea ice extent has been at or near record extent in past few summers, polar bears appear to be thriving, sea level is not showing acceleration and may be dropping, Mount Kilimanjaro melt fears are being made a mockery by gains in snow cover, global temperatures have been holding steady for a decade or more...
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/11606/Mor … -collapsed

I can't remember where I got this from... wrote:

“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show”...“There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”
...
"At the peak, satellites show energy being lost while climate models show energy still being gained"
...
“There are simply too many variables to reliably gauge the right number for that”...“The main finding from this research is that there is no solution to the problem of measuring atmospheric feedback, due mostly to our inability to distinguish between radiative forcing and radiative feedback in our observations.”

Ratburntro44 · 2012-04-06 12:30:03

For the first quote... page not found
For the second... completely a lie that global temperatures are steady right now. Just because the increase was about 0.1 degrees in the last decade doesn't mean temperatures were steady.

Now to find my source... why is one of them glued to the bookshelf it's on? And how does it just happen that that's the one I was looking for?

...those page numbers for articles would be useful if the pages were actually all numbered.

Anyways,

National Geographic wrote:

Lagoons of meltwater cover the ice on Canada's Beaufort Sea. Over the past 30 years, Arctic sea ice has thinned as much as 40 percent.
...pictures comparing chacaltaya glacier in 1994 and 2005, when it has basically disappeared...
...list of 16 glaciers, the average of which have lost about 15m of ice thickness in 30 years...
...picture of meltwater on greenland ice sheet...
"'The melt season is getting longer, starting earlier, and ending later,' says researcher Konrad Steffen. In the past 15 years, springtime on the ice has warmed more than three degrees Celsius."

We are in a deglaciation period of our current ice age that we've been in for the past 2.3 million years, but natural polar deglaciation doesn't occur at this rate.

Muffin · 2012-04-06 15:47:28

Ratburntro44 wrote:

but natural polar deglaciation doesn't occur at this rate.

How the heck do you know this, have you lived through an ice age?

Ratburntro44 · 2012-04-06 16:17:05

We're in an ice age right now that's been going on for 2.3 million years, muffin

When the Earth isn't in an ice age the poles aren't covered with ice at all.

Different55 · 2012-04-06 18:42:01

We're in an ice age right now that's been going on for 2.3 million years, muffin
When the Earth isn't in an ice age the poles aren't covered with ice at all.

I didn't know this.

Well then. If we're in a warming period, the earth will warm. There is no way mother nature will be stopped. O_O"
Even if we're speeding it up a tiny bit mother nature will not and cannot be stopped. O_O

Ratburntro44 · 2012-04-06 18:52:04

The thing is, we're speeding it up more than a bit.

Why am I even arguing this? I already pointed out that global warming is, currently, actually in a position to make the earth better for humans to live on.

Somehow I always end up arguing against everyone. It doesn't seem to work out too well.

Different55 · 2012-04-06 20:39:31

I <3 warm temps.

Coolio · 2012-04-07 14:53:31

I <3 cold temps. Once again, I HATE BUGS.

Different55 · 2012-04-07 15:22:46

U r weird.

Bobithan · 2012-04-07 16:39:17

I like cold temps because skiing

scienceguyz · 2012-04-07 19:20:34

I like mild temps. Although I can burn in 32 degree weather and freeze on 90 degree weather... I can feel at home in any climate.

Coolio · 2012-04-08 16:49:59

When you say mild... like 60-70s? or 40-50s?

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