Should this be left unpunished?

N1KF · 2014-08-09 23:26:03

I am going to make an Elochai-esque philosophical question topic: Say, there is this person. They are late for work with an important meeting, so they speed up quickly beyond the speed limit to get there. Thankfully, nobody is hurt or badly affected by this, but they broke the law. Once they are at their destination, the police catch them. What do you think the police should do? Punish them for breaking the law, give them a ticket, or a simple warning not to do it again? I mean, nobody got hurt so it was not really bad, was it? But, one could say that they deserve punishment for doing something they should not.

Elochai · 2014-08-10 03:00:50

Just because something is illegal it doesn't make it wrong. The law is flexible and can be changed. The law is mainly to protect.

Depends how much fast and where they was going. If they was going 120mph in a town area then that should get in a lot of trouble, if it's just like 15mph over the speed limit they should be warned and then next time be charged.

Fradeshan · 2014-08-10 03:04:57

this happens all the time on the highways
and i mean 99%+ of people go the speed limit +10-20
on highways at least
local it's more +5-10, and more like 50%

i'm saying this in any city/highway i've ever been on
they don't "catch them"
if they did they probably woulda hurt someone

e: the warning thing makes no sense, and legally why would you punish them more than a ticket
there are crimes, and there are "crimes"
the first makes you a criminal, the second doesn't

Last edited by Fradeshan (2014-08-10 03:07:49)

Different55 · 2014-08-10 08:42:43

ticket if they're going significantly above the speed limit.

Fradeshan · 2014-08-10 11:38:27

if they're a bit above they wouldn't stop them at all
they cops don't chase people that are going 5 mph above on their radar guns

N1KF · 2014-08-10 18:39:03

Also, remember that this is a general question, not only about speeding.

Fradeshan · 2014-08-10 19:56:59

criminal/crime thing
ticket naturally
if it's too general, it wouldn't be realistic enough

Coolio · 2014-08-10 20:49:00

Depends on the crime, really. Some cases you can't just generalize to this, like "Hey, you shot a gun at someone, but no one got hurt, so you're good!" like no, that's attempted homicide.

Silverheart · 2014-08-10 22:44:00

^that.

Also, depends how much. If thy were like going 150 or something, punish, if they're like 10/20 over and faster than the flow of traffic ticket.

Fradeshan · 2014-08-10 22:48:58

Fradeshan wrote:

e: the warning thing makes no sense, and legally why would you punish them more than a ticket
there are crimes, and there are "crimes"
the first makes you a criminal, the second doesn't

that's all

N1KF · 2014-08-10 22:53:09

Silverheart wrote:

Also, depends how much. If thy were like going 150 or something, punish, if they're like 10/20 over and faster than the flow of traffic ticket.

The gun and the speed limit are different: the reason the person was speeding was because they were late, while there is no good apparent reason for somebody to be attempting to shoot somebody.

Silverheart · 2014-08-10 22:55:06

I was referring just to the speeding example in that part.

Alsowhatifthepersonwasazombie

Fradeshan · 2014-08-10 22:56:43

"apparent"
too general again

cops shooting criminals can be seen as brutal and vicious if the shot wasn't necessary

Different55 · 2014-08-10 23:02:02

N1KF wrote:

Silverheart wrote:
Also, depends how much. If thy were like going 150 or something, punish, if they're like 10/20 over and faster than the flow of traffic ticket.
The gun and the speed limit are different: the reason the person was speeding was because they were late, while there is no good apparent reason for somebody to be attempting to shoot somebody.

firing shots on new years eve?

N1KF · 2014-08-10 23:10:48

Different55 wrote:

N1KF wrote:
The gun and the speed limit are different: the reason the person was speeding was because they were late, while there is no good apparent reason for somebody to be attempting to shoot somebody.
firing shots on new years eve?

That situation is different. That would be an accident. Speeding (as I assume the person knows) is not an accident, but rather a crime commit for the benefit of that person.

Different55 · 2014-08-11 00:18:53

Speeding is not an accident, and neither is firing a gun on new years. However, hitting someone with a bullet and wrecking into someone are both accidents. You compared a crime with a consequence.

Not sure I'm making my point well. Here:

N1KF wrote:

Different55 wrote:
N1KF wrote:
The gun and the speed limit are different: the reason the person was shooting was because it's tradition, while there is no good apparent reason for somebody to be recklessly driving 80mph in a 60mph zone.
what if they want to see how their new car handles at high speed?
That situation is different. That would be an accident. Firing a gun (as I assume the person knows) is not an accident, but rather a crime commit for the fun.

What I'm trying to get at is that both are illegal, both are not intended to harm, but both easily have the ability to go very wrong.

Last edited by Different55 (2014-08-11 00:30:42)

Announcement

Advertisement

#1 2014-08-09 23:26:03

Should this be left unpunished?

#2 2014-08-10 03:00:50

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#3 2014-08-10 03:04:57

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#4 2014-08-10 08:42:43

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#5 2014-08-10 11:38:27

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#6 2014-08-10 18:39:03

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#7 2014-08-10 19:56:59

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#8 2014-08-10 20:49:00

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#9 2014-08-10 22:44:00

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#10 2014-08-10 22:48:58

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#11 2014-08-10 22:53:09

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#12 2014-08-10 22:55:06

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#13 2014-08-10 22:56:43

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#14 2014-08-10 23:02:02

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#15 2014-08-10 23:10:48

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

#16 2014-08-11 00:18:53

Re: Should this be left unpunished?

Board footer